Friday, November 24, 2006

Hindi Vs Tamil (in 1960s)

Anna Durai and Co's rationale:
A staunch opposition to the 'imposition' of Hindi as a sole National language. The rationale for forcing Hindi to become a common language because was 'it is spoken by the majority'. Anna replied that the mere number should not count in such decisions: We have more number of rats than tigers, more number of crows than peacocks - so why should tiger and peacock be made as national symbols. He added "since English is already being taught in many schools in India, why not that be the 'common' national language? Why do the Tamils have to study English for communication with the world and Hindi for communication within India? Do we need a big door for the big dog and a small door for the small dog? I say, let the small dog use the big door too!". This was what Anna told in his 1962 address in the Parliament.

Other snippets: It is to be called 'Anti-Hindi Imposition Agitation' and not 'Anti-Hindi Agitation'. Rajaji, who supported the initial 'Hindi-common-language' principle in the late 1930s, later opposed it. Big names like Periyar, Annadurai, Rajaji, EVK Sampath - all were part of this movement. In 1950, Hindi was made the official language of India, pushing all other regional languages to a secondary status. This is the main starting point of the agitation - spearheaded by Dravidar Kazhagam and Periyar.

I had a discussion (read:argument) with one of my friends here in XLRI about the same. A discussion between him and me is as follows:

He:Look at countries like France, Germany, South Korea, Japan - the main reasons why they have developed is the common language in those places
Me: They would have achieved this development because of various other things. You can't attribute a particular event and a result just because the event is true with respect to the result. Language should not be seen just with the objective of development, language is part of the culture. It is part of the religion, it is ingrained in people's life.
He: China also developed for the same reason. We are quite similar to them
Me: I have read somewhere that there hell a lot of variations in Mandarin, hell a lot of difference in the Politics as a whole between the two countries, culture etc., so again a wrong comparison
He: If any French minister goes to a foreign country, he would address in French; same is true with a German/ENglish Leader; If an Indian leader goes abroad, there would not be any uniformity - some would address in English, some in Hindi, some in Tamil...
Me: That is the beauty of India. We have read all along, "Unity in diversity"
He: Your own leaders like Rajaji and EVR supported the Hindi establishment in Tamilnadu (He was wrong EVR Periyar did not support the Hindi establishment at any time)
Me: They appreciated the concept that people in India should know Hindi also - they saw the benefits. But I doubt whether they supported Hindi at the cost of Tamil which I guess was the proposition when they opposed.
He: Hindi is the national language. If Hindi is made compulsory in all parts of India, people from south can come to north and people from north can come to south.
Me: Hindi is the main language in 4-5 states: UP, MP, Bihar, Haryana - In most other places, it is spoken just because of the size. In each of the other places where Hindi is predominant, there is also a regional language pushed to the background like Marathi, Gujarathi etc.
He: You know Hindi is a progessive language? Tamil is not..
Me: What do you mean by progessive? Number of people or the growth in literature?
He: Both
Me: If you consider the literary wealth, Tamil IS progressive.
He: Even Gandhiji vouched for the benefits of a uniform language
Me: He wanted development all round the country and unity. He thought language would create that unity. If you see, the 4 south Indian states are probably the most wealthy ones along with Maharashtra and Punjab (again another two places where Hindi is not the language of the land), then the Hindi speaking people should learn the southie languages. In a democracy, nothing should be forced on people. If people feel the benefits, if people find the need, they themselves would learn the language. I feel, it is absolutely USELESS to learn Hindi for the sole purpose of communication. One would understand and speak better Hindi by watching TV/Movie and spending a year or two in Hindi mainland. An advantage that I could have had was, in Chennai had I had spoken-hindi fluency, I would have got a lot more pretty girl friends!! (Are Tamil girls less prettier than their North Indian counterparts --- another fresh argument should have come up but for the Business Law class)

For more detailed information on the topic, refer to the Chronology of Anti-Hindi Agitations

101 comments:

xler said...

u pigs are dividing our country...
u r the only state who do not speak hindi..
Goto srilanka and worship ravana,bastards.
you guys support reservation as well.

Anonymous said...

just now i verified facts.
Hindi was not imposed over tamil. hindi was introduced as a third language that was to be learnt compulsorily(who asked u not to learn tamil).
However the Anna and his band of bandits made a hue and cry over the issue, made it emotional and came to power through vote bank politics.
Do u think people of karnataka, kerala and andhra have lost their identity because they know hindi ?
I guess there was a recent issue regarding Hindi in milestones in tamilnadu(useless)..
and Y is that dayanidi maran speaks perfect hindi while his grandfather prevented u bastards from learning hindi ?
you think that we stereotype southindians.. But I guess its the other way around.
I have heard from my friends in chennai that the films stereotype north indians as Marwadis.
btw who told u that taminadu is one of the developed state.
Maharastra and gujarat are far better.
diversity cant be applied selectively. Diversity can be applied only when chennai speaks hindi and can welcome outsiders.
-- xler continued

Anonymous said...

btw
how do u claim that u guys are progressive.
unlike ur state we dont have cinema mixed in our politics.
Im waiting for ur reply selvanayagam .........

--xler

Selva said...

@xler:
Ha ha..good discovery:we are pigs!! Not speaking Hindi is not dividing the nation. Not speaking Hindi is not against India's unity. India's unity is supreme in everyone's mind, irrespective of that person is in J&K or Guj or Assam or TN. Kindly refrain from talking about dividing the country and BS like that.

Why should we go to Srilanka, who are you to say that?

Why should Chennaiites HAVE to speak Hindi, if we don't have to? Learning any language is beneficial, so learning hindi is also beneficial, I am not denying it or denigrating 'Hindi' as a language. FYI, I have learnt Hindi at school and in other levels as well. Supporting/not supporting reservation is one's own preference. I can't comment on reservation right now.

@xler2:
Hindi was introduced as the Third language AFTER the agitation. The initial policy (pan India) was to have English and Hindi as the primary languages and the local language as the third language or the optional language. Whatever be your mother tongue, that takes precedence over anything else - except for national security.

Coming to power through vote bank politics, is a pan-India or a world-wide phenomenon.

Knowing Hindi, Learning Hindi is good (learning any language is good, even if you learn swahili, it is good). Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh : they have not lost their identity - true, but even there the initial plan of Hindi as second language has not worked.

No one PREVENTED us from learning Hindi. They prevented the forceful imposition of Hindi. I have learnt Hindi, tons of my friends have learnt Hindi.

If you go by films and puns, no one can beat the sardars and the madrasies in being the most ridiculed. Your friends might have to see a lot more movies before coming to such a ludicrous conclusion.

Maharashtra and Gujarat are far better: If you talk about diversity: it is extremely true. I don't proclaim chennai and tamilnadu are the best places in India with respect to cosmopolitanism

There are lot of North Indians (sorry to stereotype) who have spent their days in Chennai before coming to XL (I assume you are really an XLer)..none of them is complaining. With the boom of IT and ITeS there are lots of movement across states.

FYI, Rajnikanth, Jayalalitha, MG Ramachandran, tons of actresses(!) are not from Tamilnadu..they are from other states. Rajnikanth is from Maharashtra...he has got the most adoration in the state than any one else..One need not comment about Jayalalitha as well.
P.S.: Kindly control your expletives

@anonymous:
Mixing cinema with politics is not regressive. It is just a phenomenon happening. Starting from Anna, Karunanithi..there has been a thick relationship between cinema and politics, it is happening for more than 3 decades and it is part of the politics. No one can decide whether it is good or bad. What's wrong if people from cine world come to politics?

Yeah, now lets argue more!!

Please control your expletives. Your points are interesting, but I may have to delete your comments, if the words are not appropriate because this is a public forum.

Anonymous said...

ohhh dear
here we have a guy from Tamilnadu not getting his facts here...as usual like any other Tamil..
its easy to be fanatic ( u can always commit suicide for ur language.. ur octogenarian CM wants that exactly) but tough to get facts rite.

Fact number1 :
Hindi was introduced as third language even before agitation. Ask ur papa ... do u know the person who introduced it ? vallabh pant. He was a nationalist just like ur leaders. He made sure that language was introduced as third language and made it compulsory. its not like u shuld learn all ur subjects in hindi. You can learn ur language as second or first language.

Well here we have a politician from tamilnadu - Vaiko, who wants to support LTTE who killed rajeev gandhi and still u guys want to live in india. We had a CM who did not go to port to welcome IPKF ( his country's army) because it fought against LTTE. Believe me, only in india you guys are scot free.

accepted we stereotype u guys. However u guys pretend that u dont do that.. I just wanted to point that contradiction.
Lots of north indians have spent their time in chennai and every one cribs about the attitude of the city.
I guess u haven't read the history properly( we know that u guys score more than 90% but cant compete with us. How many IITians have u produced ? Most progressive state -- he he ).
1970's -- DMK attacked mallus in chennai because MGR was a Mallu(i have heard from a mallu friend and cross verified)
I guess there is a party in tamilnadu which is caste based and wants rajnikanth out of the state.
You guys pretend as if you are broad minded because we haven't seen any such incident like cauvery riots(which again was hyped by ur politicians) in tamilnadu. But time is not far off when all north indians are attacked in chennai.
Nothing wrong in people coming from cinema to politics except that its not progressive (when u compare with world standards). I was just pointing out that fact.
who asked you to speak hindi? We asked you to learn the language as Most of india speaks hindi.
remember chechnya. Make sure that ur state does not become chechnya...
yeah obvious im an xler. TAXI dinne r was good. Incase you cant answer my questions, ask some of ur buddies to step in.
-- xler

Ashok said...

@Xler

Spoiled the spirit of XL...If you cannot argue using your name and do not have the courage to do it, stop answering in a public forum and do not spoil the name of XL.

And the fact that you have, without reason added the topics of reservation and Srilanka just states that guys like you can never take up only the issue in hand without bringing in your emotions into it...
Buddy, lot of preparation to do for your GDs..

Selva,

I accept that imposition was wrong. But you know what, we would have been better had we learnt Hindi as the 3rd lang.. and also we should not hide away from the fact that the North Indians are not welcome in our state(it is mutual though)...

btw, i know a close relative of an ex CM of Tamilnadu who studied in a school which did not have Tamil as a language...

Ashok

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Selva said...

@anonymous:
I have got my info from the Internet. FYI, leaders like Periyaar never contested in elections..We have all types of politicians all over the country. Dragging other emotive things and present politicians here serves no purpose.

This post was about whether the policy to make Hindi compulsory had sound logic or not. Period. The rationale for the same was discussed/argued with my friend. Nothing against Hindi or Hindi speaking people or anything like that. Please refrain from posting BS posts. Sorry for the words. But I mean it.

I might have to delete your last post soon. Sorry for it.

@Ashok:
I really do not worry about the identity of the poster as long as what he/she posts is relevant. The last post, as you rightly pointed out, is trying to be emotive and is very much like the narrow politics he himself mentioned in his comments.

Hindi has been the third language in Tamilnadu all through. To be more specific, Hindi is a mandatory third language till Standard V. After standard V, third languages are optional. If we do not take the language as a subject, it is our fault.

I disagree to the fact that north indians are not welcome. I can only quote examples. In my place, we rented our house to a couple from UP. The apartment next to me has at least 5-6 North Indian families. The only place where the non-locals find it tough is the auto-wallahs who swindle; one should keep in mind they swindle anyone.

I know which 'close relative' you are talking about. I also had another 'close relative of an ex/present CM (;)) who finds trouble with the language...I am not defending politicians, I am defending some thing else.

gskg said...

civilized objective arguments. do we ever get that from ourselves? :(

Priya said...

@xler

Accepted not havin Hindi as a third language in TN is disadvantageous
(a) for TN ppl when they go outta the state
(b) for other state ppl when they come in to TN

It was a result of shortsightedness of few politicians of the past.. If we had Hindi as a compulsory III language, we would be a much more hospitable state than we are now.

But, I cant believe u r a student of XL if u can comment so immaturely - Use ur brains for god's sake (assuming u have one which I am in a condition to doubt by now)

(a) LTTE is not supported across TN by all tamilians - a grp of politicians do it for their own interest

(b) You claim that Tamilians are dividing the country - While we very much feel a part of India, it is u who is illogically asking us to join with Srilanka.. for no bloody reason

(c) Tamil movies have north indians portrayed as marwadis - not because the directors r so ignorant... Its because a large number of marwadis shifted their residence to TN few decades back; and the movie characters represent these ppl who have settled in Chennai and not North Indians in general. We have movies potraying Sardars, Kashmiris and even ppl from NE India.

(d) Talking about developed state - TN is a state with high literacy rate; Chennai (along with Pune) is the hottest s/w destination in India; Sriperambadur is the Electronics hub of the country; Not producing enough IIT ians is not as a result of lack of intelligence - it is mainly because our state board syllabus is much different from the CBSE one based on which IIT entrance exam is conducted; U could verify the number of Tamilians in top B-schools across country for statistics; And the number of CEOs across organizations in India
And for ur reference: Just because US is a much more developed country, France cant call itself a under developed one.... In the same way, TN is not a under developed state

(e) I dont know of any material to substantiate ur claim that linking cinema and politics is of any great deterrant to the state.

And as Ashok said, have guts to atleast reveal ur identity

Anonymous said...

@priya

welcome to the discussion.
Choosing to be anon is my discretion. I believe that it might affect my personal relations with Tamils here at xlri. In anycase this discussion is not about my identity.

-- > U people are as biased as us.
-- > I believe that politicians represent people.
-- > Will not accept that TN as a progressive state. Female infanticide is still followed in districts of tamilnadu(read some crappy report recently). Highly conservative state and against outsiders(no one ever defended this argument). Eve teasing is much more common in tamil nadu rather than in north india(told by a super senior).
Since u accept ur fault that Hindi
shuld have been made compulsory, I dont have anything else to argue with u. Welcome to our side

Anonymous said...

//Hindi was introduced as third language even before agitation.//

Get a life - when hindi was introduced as a compulsory language in 1937 - there was an agitation.'

ask your "thaatha"

Anonymous said...

//Hindi was not imposed over tamil. hindi was introduced as a third language//

Sure, we will learn hindi as the third language if the BIMARU states introduce Tamil as the third language in their states.

quid pro quo !

Anonymous said...

//Maharastra and gujarat are far better.//

mebbe but it aint 'coz of hindi - why are the BIMARU states lagging even with hindi - we dont need it, we wont learn it.

Anonymous said...

//how do u claim that u guys are progressive.
unlike ur state we dont have cinema mixed in our politics.//

The human development index for the most backward district in TN, Dharmapuri is 0.584, the overall indian average is 0.557

The gender development index (lowest in TN) is 0.582 which is also more than the Indian average.

If the worst district in TN is better than the overall Indian average = better progress in TN.

Anonymous said...

//Well here we have a politician from tamilnadu - Vaiko, who wants to support LTTE who killed rajeev gandhi and still u guys want to live in india.//

WE are TAMIL NADU - India just wants us, else sardar patel wont be around...

Anonymous said...

//If we had Hindi as a compulsory III language, we would be a much more hospitable state than we are now.//

priya,
the french dont learn any other language to make others feel at home in france.

the same goes with Tamils - your arguement of one country will lose ground for the simple reason that the language and culture of different languages in India are different and cant be equated with "country-language"

Anonymous said...

//We asked you to learn the language as Most of india speaks hindi.//

we dont care about your language - no thanks !

Anonymous said...

//But you know what, we would have been better had we learnt Hindi as the 3rd lang.. //

ashok, these guys wanted to have "hindi alone" as the national language in 1965 - what it means is that we cant compete in "Tamil or English" in national exams for jobs but they can write the exam in "hindi" which is their mother tongue and this will give them a great advantage over other non-hindi ppl.

If they can do it then, they can do it now !

Anonymous said...

//(a) LTTE is not supported across TN by all tamilians - a grp of politicians do it for their own interest//

Priya, mebbe you dont care about the SL TAmils but many care about 'em and if NOT for the LTTE, there wont be any SL Tamil alive.

Why rajiv was killed ?

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/tigers-killed-rajiv-gandhi-for-great-betrayal/14464-3.html

Anonymous said...

part XVII of the constitution:
defines OFFICIAL language (NOT national lang)
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17.html

Article 345: This gives the State govt., power to decide its own "OFFICIAL LANGUAGE"
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17345.html

Article 343: This defines hindi and english to be the "OFFICIAL LANGUAGES" of union govt.
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~sk4zw/india-const/p17343.html


DIFFERENCE:

NATIONAL LANGUAGE: defines the people of the nation, culture, history.

OFFICIAL LANGUAGE: used for official communication

While a National language by default can become the Official langauge, an Official language has to be APPROVED legally to become the National language.

Anonymous said...

hindi is the official language of India

Thamizh is the
1) Official language of India
2) Classical language
3) Official language of singapore
4) official language of sri lanka
5) constitutionally recognised by the govt of south africa.

Anonymous said...

hindi imposition:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,839222,00.html

force of words:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,940936,00.html

retreat to english:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,839301,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,839158,00.html

hindi against india:
http://www.hindu.com/mag/2005/01/16/stories/2005011600260300.htm

hindi chauvinism:
http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mag/2004/01/18/stories/2004011800040300.htm

A few articles to provide some insight to the past issues.

Anonymous said...

@priya, ashok

In 1965 when we had a literacy rate of about 24 % and were importing two ship loads of wheat a day to barely survive, when shashtri gave the famous call to indians to skip a meal a day, we were spending 2.1 Million US dollars for hindi evangelisation - to me that is chauvinism.

you can find proof for this in the previous links that I provided - in the times article - I think it is the third or fourth link !

Anonymous said...

http://del.icio.us/megarajan/anti-hindi?page=3

http://del.icio.us/megarajan/anti-hindi?page=2

http://del.icio.us/megarajan/anti-hindi?page=1

The link provided earlier is not displayed properly so am providing the links again.

you can also find a few discussions on orkut

Anonymous said...

//(b) You claim that Tamilians are dividing the country - While we very much feel a part of India, it is u who is illogically asking us to join with Srilanka.. for no bloody reason//

priya, ask him to go to pakistan !

Anonymous said...

-- > U people are as biased as us.

we prefer to pay back in kind

-- > I believe that politicians represent people.

YOUR belief, YOUR choice !

-- > Will not accept that TN as a progressive state.

we do NOT give a damn !

Anonymous said...

http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mag/2004/01/18/stories/2004011800040300.htm

You can speak Tamil or English and yet be a good Indian, argued Anna. No, answered New Delhi, the only good patriots are those who speak (and write) Hindi. Shastri and his Government stood by the decision to make Hindi official on 26 January. And, in consequence, all hell broke loose.

The above para is taken from the link provided, you can google for "hindi against india" to get this article from the hindu newspaper.

Anonymous said...

@selva,

link ellaam seriya theriya maatenguthu, yen nu theriyala...

http://del.icio.us/megarajan/anti-hindi?page=2

intha link la matha articles oda link iruku...you can read it if you want.

BTW, my name is Vijay...I dont have an account athaan am posting from anon profile.

I hope the links I provided helped you to understand the issue a little better.

Anonymous said...

funds allocated for sanskrit - 100 crores.

Funds allocated for Thamizh - 3.36 Crores.

Two legally accepted classical languages BUT one gets around 4 % of what another language gets - WHY ?

Is it based on population ?

Presuming that all the population except Tamils support Sanskrit - Tamils constitute 6-7% of India - which means we should be getting around 7 Crores.

Is it economical ?

South India contributes 20 % of population and approx 40 % of economy - presuming TN also has the double its population contribution to economy - we should be getting around 14 Crores for Tamil.

Is it historical/literature ?

This would tilt the balance of funds in favour of Tamil - no matter how much antogonism you *NOT YOU* (general statement) have towards Tamil, you have to acknowledge that we have a history/literature that goes back to around 2500 years that needs to be researched and documented for which you need MONEY but it is NOT given.

Anonymous said...

1938 anti hindi agitation
1938: January 3

Anti-Hindi demonstrations before Rajaji's house and as it became evident that the government plans to make Hindi a compulsory subject in schools. 1271 people, including 73 women, were arrested.

1938: February 27

The first Anti-Hindi Imposition Conference was held in Kancheepuram (Kanchi, Kanchipuram). Somasundara Bharathiyar, Paventhar Bharathi Dasan and C. N. Annadurai (Arinjar Anna) were among those who addressed the conference.

1938: April 21

Government of Madras Presidency made Hindi a compulsory subject in schools.

1938: May 28

Tamil patriots from all over the Madras Presidency formed the Anti-Hindi Command. Somasundara Bharathiyar was elected President and K.A.P. Viswanatham was elected Secretary.

1938: June 3

The great Saivaite scholar Maraimalai Adikalar (Marai Malai Adigalar) chaired the Anti-Hindi Conference at Kodampakkam, Chennai (Madras).

Anonymous said...

1938: August 1

Anti-Hindi March from Thiruchirapalli (Tiruchi, Trichi) to Chennai (Madras). Number of people participating in this march was over four times as those who participated in Mahatma Gandhi's Dhandi March.

1938: September 10

At the Anti-Hindi Meeting held at Thiruvallikeni Beach in Chennai (Madras), Periyar E. V. Ramaswami Naicker (EVR) declared that Tamil Nadu should be an independent country. "Tamil Nadu for Tamils", he said, amongst thunderous applause from the huge crowd.

1938 – 1939

A number of Anti-Hindi Meetings and demonstrations were held throughout Tamil Nadu. A 1939 Women's Anti-Hindi Conference was chaired by Tharumambal. Women have participated in almost all anti-Hindi protests. We make a special mention of this because it was an exclusively Women's Conference against Hindi imposition.

Anonymous said...

1939: January

Thalamuthu and Natarajan who were arrested for demonstrating against Hindi imposition died in prison, allegedly from police beatings. There would be many more blood sacrifices in the years to come.

1940: February 21

Under so much opposition against Hindi, Government of Madras Presidency withdrew its order making Hindi a compulsory subject in schools. Anti-Hindi agitations abated.

Anonymous said...

@all
For the ppl who believe that the anti-hindi agitation is a part and parcel of present day politics in TN - the 1937/38 examples would serve to remind that it has historical basis that cannot be neglected.

Its not just politics - politicians do use it but its not instigated for political purposes - at least not initially.

Even in the 1965 riots, most of the DMK leaders were arrested before jan 26, 1965 - it was the students who carried on with their agitation against hindi imposition since it would disadvantage them to compete in hindi with native hindi speakers.

Anonymous said...

For ppl who have some knowledge of Tamil, they would realise that even in the patriotic poems of bharathi, bharathidasan - Tamil thaai and bharatha thaai are equally venerated - I dont think there is any language which is venerated as much as Tamil and was used as a tool to fight the british.

It was in 1937 when hindi was imposed that TN turned against it.

Why NOT the other states ?

They lacked strong regional parties and were brow-beated by congress.

After the 1965 anti hindi riots, congress lost the election in 1967 and after that was NOT able to establish power even ONCE in TN.
Even though it ruled in TN from independence till 1967, the 1965 hindi imposition made it the "evil" in the eyes of the Tamils.

It was after the 1967 election that Annadurai named the erstwhile Madras presidency as "Tamil Nadu" : a rough translation would mean "Land/Country of the Tamils" - this is a direct way of establishing Tamil in TN !

Anonymous said...

@Tamils,

Next time some genius comes over and tells that hindi is the "national language" - point out "part 17" of the constitution that talks about "OFFICIAL lang" NOT national lang.

ART 343 defines english and hindi in devangari script to tbe the official language of the indian central govt.

ART 345 gives power to every state to identify its own "OFFICIAL lang"

BOTTOMLINE: there is NO national lang, ONLY 23 OFFICIAL languages that are recognised by the center.

Anonymous said...

@Tamils.

If some jackass sez that TN is backward..let him know that the

Human Development Index and Gender Development Index for the MOST backward DISTRICT in TN, Dharmapuri is 0.584 and 0.582 respectively and this is MORE than the national average of 0.557 and 0.552 (till the year 2003)

Anonymous said...

If they (BIMARUS specifically and north indians in general) will NOT learn Tamil, WHY should we learn their language ????

NAtional integration ? my foot !

Let them know that the B'desh split up coz of urdu imposition by pak and there is a civil war in SL coz of sinhala only act in 1956 on the SL Tamils.

Language imposition is NOT the only reason but it played an important role - you can google it !

Anonymous said...

signing off with Anna durai's comment:

A man had two dogs - a big one and a small one. He wanted his dogs to go in and out of the house freely without him having to keep the house door open all the time. So he built two "trap doors" - one big trap door for the big dog and one small for the small dog. Neighbors who saw these two doors laughed at him and called him an idiot. Why put a big door and a small door? All that was needed was the big door. Both the big and the small dog could use it!

Indian government's arguments for making Hindi the official or link language of India are as ridiculous as the need for a big door and a small door for the big dog and the small dog. Indian government agrees that English is needed for communication with the world, and every school in India teaches English after the fifth grade. Then the Indian government says that all of us should know Hindi also in order to communicate amongst ourselves within India. I ask, "Since every school in India teaches English, why can't it be our link language? Why do Tamils have to study English for communication with the world and Hindi for communications within India? Do we need a big door for the big dog and a small door for the small dog? I say, let the small dog use the big door too!"

Selva said...

@anon:
You could not have been more elaborate..great comments (not saying that because you support my stand..your points are real and substantial)

Anonymous said...

Dasus Vs Aryans

The problem with the Tamils are that they were the dominated race overtaken by the valiant Aryans. The Aryan supremacy was something dravidians could not pull along. Infact the Brahmins in South India are all from Aryan clans basically. Arayans have always called them "dasus" or servants because of their attitude...Its not surprising the horde of IT professionals from South trying to make a base in USA , thats always their attitude...They are ready to speak in English in US , German in Germany but not Hindi in India...No wonder why even Shri Krishna says in Gita "...Arjun stop behaving like a dasu".... Politics has also made things worse...

Om said...

yappa, anon...

dravidian is a linguistic classification - NOT racial - so is the aryan terminology.

In the vedas, aryans/asuras/devas denote ppl of specific character and NOT race - try to understand the difference or google it.

PS: Read the previous comments, India does NOT have a national language - it has 23 OFFICIAL languages.

going by your amazing logic, can we also say that, the BIMARUs want others to speak their language since they are incapable of competing in other languages ???

Read this too
http://vetri-vel.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

ANTI-TAMIL POLICY FOLLOWED BY DMK PMK AIADMK DK DPI ETC.

All political parties in Tamil Nadu are trying to destabilize Tamil society by
1, Promoting castesm
2, Promoting reservation policy in Tamil Nadu where Hindi speaking OBCs have preference to Tamil FCs.
3, Not demanding Tamil annoucements in TN flights
4, Supporting nationalization of TN airports instead of TN state having control

TN parties always propogate that Tamil speaking Brahmins and other forward castes are not Tamils. At the same time they treat scores of Muslim communities who only speak Urdu/Hindi as Tamils even though they necessarily dont speak Tamil.
Also included are countless Telugu speaking castes, some Kannada speaking castes and Sourashtrians many of whom who speak Hindi and Sourashtra.

The official backward list of TN is as below:
http://www.tn.gov.in/bcmbcmw/bclist.htm

Any proud Tamil should be disgusted at the number of Hindi speaking OBCs who are listed (while Tamil brahmins and other FCs) are being shown the door.

http://i.am/tamil

srini said...

I support fully the Tamils. Every south indian should learn from them how to be proud of YOUR language.

Some of the crap said by people here against Tamils are illegal and criminal.

- A Telugu Person.

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Shakthi said...

to the anonymous person r Xler(abt hindhi) on the blog...v r all Indian..But i dont want to divide India like you said which clearly say u r not fit to be in this country..try to learn what is India..if u keep on chukking one state for not learning hindhi..one day i tell u India is away frm u..

Shakthi said...

If you divide India by Religion,Language,State,Caste etc..
Try to learn the differences in India be proud to see different thing..to the guy saying bastard its easy to put a word back..which is not even worth of a shit i tell u..
>>>>V PLEDGE ALL INDIANS TO BE OUR BROTHER AND SISTER>> NO USE
u still got to learn abt ur country..

Shakthi said...

to the Anonymous...
U know y India is like this?
U know what guys ( bad character)like u did to India?
1.bcos of u Pakistan and Bangladesh is already gone...
2.Kashmir still no status..
3.still u need some more to go of..

What Anna said is still right..ur an Indian and iam an Indian..we communicate in English..what is the probem?..So the only problem for everyone is you..
TRUE:empty vessel make more noise..

Anonymous said...

really, india as a country is just an illusion that all young indians have been brainwashed with.. there is absolutely no reason for it to remain a country as it follows none of the norms a country normally has.. one may say that is itself the essence of india as a country.. i do not agree with it.. india does not fully represent any group of people, which is what the prime purpose of a country is.. the problem is not something like in malaysia where there are many different races in the same country.. in india people with different cultural traditions for the most part are from a single uniform region.. there is absolutely no reason why these ethnic regions cannot seek independence.. an economic union of south asia (akin to eu) would be far more relevant than a single country with a single government..

john said...

i kinda feel the ppl from north have an attitude problem when it comes to cribbing. They crib about everything possible. I've got a lot of northie friends who crib about everything under the sun..food(u come to chennai and why do u want rotis to be the main food here? ofcourse u can get rotis too here unlike places in north where u wont get a bit of southie food), crowd (sigh..mumbai trains!), people, autos(know Delhi autowallahs????...get a life), climate(as if you'll come from swiss - i've visited many places too, and the climate in mumbai, delhi etc. is not even a bit better - delhi sucks - i agree blore is the best).
They adjusting nature is jus the worst in north india...the feeling of brotherhood is totally missing....that i feel is the main reason why you ppl arent able to adjust when you come here...Tamils dont crib when they go to other states...the same applies to other south states too, having seen my friends from kerala and andhra who work with me...
you can just say you guys arent comfortable with the fact that Chennai doesnt know hindi....shut up with that plz...u've got no rights to speak abt politicians and ask us to go to another country etc... dont make me quote stuffs like RSS, Shive sena(cricket pitch damager - do you know that it kills our image outside India?)etc etc...n u'll know who needs to be outta India... jus dont want this topic to take a north vs south turn....

n i can only laugh at your 'invention' TN is not a progressive state....hahaha..... it seems somethng happened in you life that has made you hate TN and Tamils...that reflects in your words and shows why you are sooo stubborn on saying TN isnt a progressive state..... guess you havent been to TN at all...come n have a look....on how vast it is, how many diverse companies there are, n how welcomin ppl are.(who the crap said northies arent welcome here? ppl from north live here for generations together and mind you the peace level here is absolutel y the best in the country...knowing or not knowing tamil comes nowhere here...)

for heaven's sake - Administrator - do not delete this posting.....you may remove/ re-word certain parts if you feel they r offending...

John said...

n yeh to add to that, i wanna say i've got nothing against north indans in general....jus that am stating the facts abt the cribbing nature as you ppl state our behaviours.....
i've got a lot of north indian friends too, n my very very close friend happens to be a northie.. n am sure i wont let this relationship be spoiled jus bcoz a selected group of ppl say something against my state n language....the whole world is a mixture of ppl n you cant satisfy everyone....I am happy with my circle of friends n you with yours...

bsreddys said...

its not only tamilians... we telugus are also sick of ignorant bhaiyya attitude.

when there is english there is no need for anti-progressive hindi.

bhaiyyas need not think about making tamil nadu chechnya... bhaiyya land is the most fucked up land of India.

bsreddys said...

.They are ready to speak in English in US , German in Germany but not Hindi in India
++++++
another example of ignorant bhaiyya attitude.

what is hindi without urdu?

india is not hindi land. hindi is only part of india just like telugu tamil etc

bsreddys said...

The problem with the Tamils are that they were the dominated race overtaken by the valiant Aryans.
+++++++
you bhaiyyas are not aryans.
you bhaiyyas are hybrid aryan-dravidian by race and culture later fucked up by invading muslim arabs and mongols. there are lots and lots of dark people in your bhaiyya land.

dont call urself an aryan ... u hybrid bhaiyya dog.

you hybrid dog... learn south indian languages which are native languages of India.


=telugu monagaadu.

bsreddys said...

bhaiyya hybrid dog.... persians will kick your ass if you call urself as aryan.

you are like those hybrid hispanic latinos who speak spanish and think they are white/caucasians.

Anonymous said...

No point arguing with useless Hindi folks. If everyone in India need to learn Hindi because Hindi is spoken widely, then everyone in India must eat rice only because rice is widely eaten.

Let those Hindi culprits start to learn any one south Indian language, then they will know how much time and energy is needed in learning a new language unnecessarily.

When South Indians went to North India for job in 1960-1970's, south Indian has to learn Hindi because he is seeking a job in north India.

When North indians come to south now for jobs, south indians are asked to learn Hindi, because those "only hindi speaking" idiots are coming to south.

What a joke?

Anonymous said...

I appeal all the southies to unite (Tamil, karnataka, Andhra, and even Bengal, Marathi, etc). All of us face the same mosquito (Hindi) byte.

Anonymous said...

Guys,
Read Pravin Benjamin's
DA VIJAY CODE: THE EXIT OF THE NEHRUS
It is a brilliant exposition of India's north south issues
http://www.amazon.com/Da-Vijay-Code-exit-Nehrus/dp/1419613340/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196382426&sr=1-1

Thamizhan said...

Vijay - Its gr8 work.Thamizhan eandru sollada thalai nimirindhu nillada eannum Bharathidasan varigal ungaluku sirapaka porunthukindrana.Nandri

Anonymous said...

hindi is basically A LANGUAGE OF GHETT0S,SLUMS IT ORIGINATED IN 2ND PART OF 19TH CENTURY,which is POPULAR Among darky,unclean,illiterate,
nasty,'Bhaiyya"like peoples dwelling in backward states like UP,bihar,MP,rajastan. so No way such language can be accepted over rich regional langeuages with thousands of years of history,heritage,perfection behind them like kannada,telugu,tamil,Punjabi,marathi,gujrathi,Bengali,Assame etc,
I agree with Anonymous and these progressive states should avoid this 3rd class language called hindi from harassing their unique,rich regional heritage&tradition,through some illiterate politicians @ the centre,& their govt,sponsored programmes like hindi subject@primary level
as actually
75% of indians don't know hindi,except UP,MP,Bihar like sick states

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Anonymous said...

I have neither references nor links/quotes to support my view point here. This is based on my personal experince.
I have a huge number of friends who belong to all sorts of places in our country.
Let me say this to you all...Most of us or some of us initially have apprehensions while we meet people who have distinguishable traits in terms of language/physique/habits etc. But for those of you who based on these things bundled with your preconvictions about certain people stop yourselves from knowing each other,and stick with your opinions, i'd say you have missed the opportunity of knowing the truth of these things. The truth is that our differences only lie in the visible spectrum of things (language/habit...). But you can hardly call that culture. Its a part of culture though. Culture beyond that is human values and beliefs. The majority of what we can call culture lies not in the visible then.On close inspection we'll find that the north and south are not culturally very different. Go to a typical village in north and you'll see they are not very different from south. I am saying village because all major cities have a mixed populace and hence dont have very distinctive cultures. Once you know this, all barriers break. I have found india to be a truly united nation.
I like most of us started out with my set of apprehensions and ended up finding this. As far as learning languages are concerned, I'd request the tamils and north indians ( actually if you go by distinctions such as these alone, north indians are no single group, north itself is so diverse you can have similar debates there too ; same for south ) to learn each others language. Tamil and Hindi are extremly beautiful languages though I'd say I (personally) find punjabi girls little more attractive than tamil. But lot of my north indian friends were behind a tamil batchmate of mine though. I guess its all preference afterall....Its all your preference in the end......what say?

Anonymous said...

Friends,why we people are quoting huge references for throwing dirt on each other for no reason...i feel,the person who has commented about just above this commentis very much right.....
we should understand that it is due to our bad luck that we see strange persons with poor values...from north aswell as south...there are others from both sections..i call people from both sides "bunch of fools"who are throwing mud against each other knowingly due to their complex...lets appreciate gud things,people from both sides...

Anonymous said...

Hindi numbers are most complicated:

Do you know that number system in Hindi is FAR MORE COMPLICATED than south Indian langauages.

They have to mug 1 to 100 before any repetetive cycle starts.

Our numbers are very similar to English in pattern. the pattern repeats every 10 numbers.

NO ONE WHY THIS IS ONE MORE REASON THEY ARE MOST BACKWARD... MANY HINDIANS DO NOT KNOW THEIR OWN NUMBERS....

Anonymous said...

KARUNANIDHI AND DMK BETRAYING TAMIL AND TAMILS IN FAVOUR OF HINDI AND HINDI-SPEAKERS

The central govt in Delhi has plans to wantonly ignore other languages and pave the way for their decline by sole use of Hindi and by the portrial of India to the outside world as Hindia. DMK is also a party to this.

Some examples of Hindian propoganda by both the Hindian central government and large MNCs:
1>Gas books across India printed only in Hindi and English
2>Air Hindia, Hindian Airlines, S(J)et(h) Airway etc having announcements only in English and Hindi.
3>Hindi being compulsory in CBSE schools while Hindian can choose to skip the state language in favour of Sanskrit
4>Lack of opportunity of native Tamils in the north leave alone North Indians to learn Tamil and other southern languages in their areas
5>Tamil being portrayed with lude ‘comical’ roles in Hindian films
6>Hindian railways train tickets skipping the state language
7>Airports (like in Madras) hiring Hindians who cant speak Tamil/state language
8>Hindian Railway and other Hindian institution websites restricted to only Hindi and English
9>Hindian movies only being sent to the Oscars and other cultural events ignoring other languages
10>Hindian bank passbooks skipping the state language
11>ATMs of most banks (Citibank, Hindian Bank etc restricting to Hindi and English)
12>Looking down on states of Tamil Nadu because of refusal to prescribe to “accept-Hindi-as-your-language” attitude
13. The very use of the term “Regional language” to non-Hindi languages
14. The use of Hindian stickers in trains and else portaying “speaking Hindi is nationalism” and other propoganda messages stating use of English or non-Hindi as not being nationalistic.
15. The very absence of languages other than Hindi on the symbol of citizenship of the country– the passport

The above is a part of a sinister policy create to transform India to simply Hindia or Hindistan.
These remarks are taken as fascist…but you need to ask yourself whether the National Language policy of India itself isnt fascist.
If you trace the history since independence regarding the use of language apart from Hindi, you can foretell the future plan for this fascist policy.

This Hindian fascism should not make it a big mistake for India to be a lingual union. The last thing for the country is encouragement a colonial attitude by speakers of the “elevated” lingo.

DMK, PMK and other Tamil traitors are happy with this scenario as they are in business with their Hindian masters who safeguarding the TN reservation policy, where several Hindi OBCs get reservation in TN while Tamil FCs are thrown out. Their vote bank has been assured by their Hindian masters.

Anonymous said...

hi all , best wishes and long life,
i would like to say just two words , if you don't like my language tamil better don't speak kindly , but you speak in tamil and still disgrace it , who asked you to speak in tamil at your home speak sanskrit who stopped. only if you had really a pure language , sure sanskrit is a language for prostitute so are those knowing the language.

Georgio said...

Selva,
I appreciate your post. You gave a good response to all.

@Xler,
///u pigs are dividing our country...
u r the only state who do not speak hindi..
Goto srilanka and worship ravana,bastards.
you guys support reservation as well.///

Do you think your words are decent?
Offensive words will replicate you and never solve your supremacyto others. We can still use the rest of words more than you. Dont ignite the chain reaction. Who are you to say us to go to Srilanka? You wanna produly say you Hindi guy as Native Indian, probably you are out of your general knowledge.
Have you ever heard about Aryan Invasion? Then dravidians may kick out of you dual guys from India. Do you ever think you past have Identity?
To be honest, Tamils are intellectually quite, wont tollerate for cheapening of them or their identities.

Abusing in public place is your Indentity. We never hate Hindi or Hindi people, perhaps we are hating infliction of it.

Tamilnadu is not only state opposing your infliction, have you heard about Gujarat guys complaining about you.

I have some good friends from Mumbai, they really understand and still nice with me and English is the communication between us.
Dont reduce value of other Non-Hindi speaking people.


@Priya
Coming to your points,

//Accepted not havin Hindi as a third language in TN is disadvantageous
(a) for TN ppl when they go outta the state
(b) for other state ppl when they come in to TN//


a) Do you know how many people are going out per year out of South India to other part of India? Its not genuinely more compared with people going out of India and with in south India. As per constitutional you can survive in many industries with English skill. I am sure, with in short period they can catch Hindi to get in with locals.

b) Almost many people have good english skill around cities in TN.
We are welcoming many of them. I saw some of Hindi speakers trying to speak Hindi in tamil nadu in command way at some shops pretending as they dont know english.....Remember English is also our official langauge....Do they allow if I try to speak Tamil in Mumbai shops? we are still allowing as they can understand it later.
It shows our hospitality.


I could tell, the government need to teach Japanese as there are many requirements then North India.
Is it possible?

Chennai is acting like India's Detroit. Will all the imported car manufactures accept Hindi for communication? So to increase TN economic, Hindi is really not required.

As you say, if hindi was our second language, English might had been vanished.

Have you read US rating for BPO sector, Chennai has got 1st rank among asian countries. Do you think hindi is going to help us to do something more?

And I agree with your remaining points and appreciate you as well.

We love India, we love tamil

Jai Hind

Anonymous said...

Wow... this is an interesting blog entry and too bad I wasn't here when it first began back in 2006.

I've even read some of the comments. And, honestly, I dont' have any rights to say anything as I am no Indian.

But I am somewhat Srilankan and I'm tamil... and I have my own opinion. Somewhat means, I was not born in SL, but in Germany... but that doesn't matter cause both my parents are from SL... anyway, I don't know who will read this (as it is about 2 years late), and whoever does read this, just listen and think about it.

India, is a multilingual country... and to impose Hindi as the national language is just plain unfair to the other languages, not just tamil... this includes telungu, malayalam, kanada, etc.
Why not english? What? You've welcomed all other sorts of modernization and yet still refuse to make the primary international language as your national language?
Isn't that hypocritical?

As for cinema integrating with government, its not the only country. Last I heard was that President Ronald Reagan and Governor Schwarzenneger were actors prior to getting involved in politics.

And, I don't appreciate how you guys bring in the LTTE... Now, I'm no big supporter of the LTTE, and I'm not big on violence solving the problem. Last I heard was that LTTE asked india for help, but india chose to support the SL government and send in their IPKF.
Did you think we would just sit there and watch you guys annihilate us?

And, how about some sympathy for tamils of SL?
We are the minorities of SL, sinhalese are the majority and yet instead of supporting the underdog, you guys to support SL government... who by the way.... much like you guys, made Sinhalese the national language. Not tamil, we asked english to be the national language. Why do you think the LTTE even started? Because we had nothing better to do? To kick someone who is already down... they treated us unfairly... our women were raped, our people were pillaged... unfair treatment in the job market, refused upper level studies... you think we are going to take it and just laugh about it? Of course we are going to fight back... and I'm pretty sure if the roles were reversed, you guys would do the damn same.

BTW, we tried the peaceful approach too, chech this out:
http://www.tamilnation.org/indictment/indict046.htm

He tried to emulate Mahatma and fasted, he was liked by everyone including government officials... and he died in his efforts. Its like nobody cared... heartless people.

Anonymous said...

தற்போதைய தமிழக அரசின் இடஒதுக்கீடு கொள்கை தமிழ் என்கிற அடிப்படையில் அல்லாம வெறும் ஜாதி என்கிற அடிப்படையில் உள்ளது.

நீங்கள் பிற்பட்டோர் பட்டியலை பார்த்தால் தமிழ் தவிற்று பிறமொழிகள் பேசும் ஜாதிகள் உள்ளன.

இதில் இந்தி பேசும் முஸ்லிம்கள், ஸவுராஷ்டிரியர்கள்; தெலுங்கு பேசும் ரெட்டியார்கள்,நாயுடுகள், கன்னடம் பேசும் கவுண்டர்கள் ஆகியோர்க்கெல்லாம் இடஒதுக்கீடு வழங்கப்படுகிறது.

தமிழ் பிராமிணர்களை அயோக்கியர்கள் என கருதும் தி மு க இந்தி பேசும் வடக்கர்கள் வாக்குகளை பெற இந்தி மொழி தேர்தல் பிரசுரங்களை வெளியிட்டது.

தமிழகத்தில் தமிழ் பிராமணர்கள் தமிழர்கள் அல்ல என பிரச்சாரம் செய்கின்றன ப ம க, தி மு க ஆகியோர்.

கர்ணாநிதிக்கு தமிழ் பிராமணர்கள் வெறுப்பு இந்தி மொழிக்கு மேலானது போலுள்ளது.

எனது வகுப்பில் இந்தி பேசும் மாணாக்கர் விலைக்கொடுத்து OBC சான்றிதழ் வாங்கி அண்ணா பல்கலைக்கழகம் சேர்ந்தார். இந்தி/உருது மட்டும் பேசும் முஸ்லிம் தமிழகத்தில் ஜாதிகள் இடஒதுக்கீடு பெறுகின்றனர்.

சென்னை விமானகத்தில் தமிழ் ஊழியர்கள் அவ்வளவு இல்லை. எல்லாமே இந்தி பேசுபவர்கள் தான்.

தமிழக CBSE பள்ளிகள் இந்தி திணிப்பு தான்.

இந்தி, கன்னடம், தெலுங்கு பேசும் ஜாதிகள் வருக; தமிழ் பிரமாணர் ஒழிக என கொள்கை வைத்துள்ளது தற்போதைய இடஒதுக்கீடு சட்டம்.

கர்நாடகத்தில் கன்னடத்திற்கு பிரதானம் அளிக்கப்படுகிறது. கன்னட பிராமணர் கன்னடர் ஆவார். தமிழகத்தில் தமிழ் பிராமணர் வெளியாள் எனவு இந்தி, உருது, கன்னடம், தெலுங்கு ஜாதிகள் தமிழர்கள் என்கிற பெயரில் இடஒதுக்கீடு வாங்குகின்றனர்.

தமிழக தமிழர்களுக்கா வெறும் ஜாதி கணக்கில் உகுந்தவருக்கா?

SITUN said...

Hi Guys, Interesting blog I came across.. Pretty debatable ...

I am from a Non Hindi speaking state in a eastern state of India...It pierces my heart when you guys start fighting like this...This is a public forum and its highly expected from you guys not to behave like Idiots Coz this is Internet and a small word against the North Indians and the Tamilians can damage the "Unity in Diversity" factor of this huge country...Pakistan got separated on religion and the next can be any state for that matter(But this time it wud be based on Language).. And you morons want that...Pathetic...

Well it all starts off wid political gimmicks and ends up wid a nation wide issue. But this time its for the world to hear coz every eye is on India and China...PLEASE DON'T BEHAVE LIKE MORONS...Democracy is a mess these days....

I work in Blore and I've been to Chennai a couple of times and I hardly saw any chennaite hitting me wid rocks...Why the hell do one do that ???? I use Hindi in Blore wid those people who can speak in Hindi and English wid some one who can speak in English....I followed the same principle in Chennai... I ask people ..Just for instance asked the Prepaid auto rick counter guy if he knows Hindi or not...He said Yes...I continued in Hindi..If he hadn't known that I wud have continued in English Simple as that......

Same for Tamilians if someone doesn't know Hindi,,, No one can't pressurize 'em to learn Hindi..Thats their choice..If they go to Delhi and the other parts of North India for that matter any state if they want they can speak in either Hindi if they know that , English if they know that language or just exchange emotions...Or speak the finger language..Anything....So as to exchange emotions..Any north Indian guy or a gal can use Hindi or English....If the other person knows that.....Thats the end of Topic and thats wat I wanted to convey....And when I WENT TO CHENNAI I WAS AS COMFORTABLE AS I WAS I WAS IN BANGALORE OR IN DELHI...Its my country and I wudn't care who says wat...There are scumbags every where to comment and paste their opinion.. Think about the country and BE PATRIOTIC RATHER THAN BEING AN IDIOT...PATRIOTISM ID THE BEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU.

Someone pasted this "how about some sympathy for tamils of SL?"

Sir! one answer for you..Come back from where ever you are to SL and fight for your country , for your rights...This is INDIA and we don't have rights to poke r noses into every thing...We have r Internal problems..Just the same way in which India doesn't poke its nose for the Indian Hindus in Pakistan......

ADMINISTRATOR PLEASE ACCEPT THIS COMMENT COZ I USED UP 30 MINS OF MY BREAK FOR MY COUNTRY SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT MY COUNTRY....

Karthik said...

Guys I am from tamil Nadu , and i live in NYC...

First people feel proud about tamilians as they did not allow the new language to dominate it...

second in 3 century BC rome and greece traded with a city (city) called madurai, which had tamil as language with grammer , epics and many literatures.

I am not against learning Hindi.. but do you guys think that we should give up this very old language that lived even before Jesus....


we stoodup like a man .. when we were asked to make hindi dominate tamil.. Trust me its never gonna happen...

We have all the wealth and health with tamil and english... we could accomplish anything that you guys could do...

so stop this emotional debate BS... and lets say vande mataram as Indians...

DO not categorize us as tamil indians as we dont give a shit anyways...

valga tamil !!! valarga India !!!

SocialCauseTN said...

If we are giving privileged treatment for one sect of people (Hindi speaking Northies), then it is against the constitution of India that says every Indian is equal. Let us proudly tell the world that our nation is a multi-lingual country and all our languages are national assets and thus are national languages. In this great nation, let nobody be selfish enough to say mine alone is the national language

Anonymous said...

Karunanidhi and Ramadoss and Telugu politicians who hate the Tamil language. THey prefer Hindi speaking OBCs to be reserved in Tamilnadu instead of 'forward' caste Tamils. Karunanidhi so much loves Hindi and hates Tamils. His lifelong goals is to shout Paappaan this Paappaan that directed at Tamils who are being sideline by his Telugu party; at the same time he has special preference for Hindi and Telugu castes in Tamilnadu. The DMK party is known to sponsor attacks on poor sections of Tamils in and blame it on other Tamils of the forward castes. All this probably to hide the Telugu identity!!!

Anonymous said...

Why have you to cry on this i dont understand!!!!

no other state is crying abt it.. imagine if all states insist like tht...

it is common sense..English,we do learn to communicate to our international counter parts...

we need one common language to communicate amongst all of us...if hindi was found to be the most spoken language..what is the issue....

We talk about learning a lot in this age of globalization..how come you are showing so much rigidity to learn just one language....

forget the politics..these people dont know anything except to exploit people's emotions on any topic for their own personal benefit..whetehr it may be language or religion.....

i am not a hindi speaking lady..i am not a south india either....

When i went to Chennai, i was not given a warm welcome just bcoz they had this attitude towards hindi..they dont know english and dont want to talk in hindi either...

this is how you welcome visitors to your state!!!!!! shocking!!!!!

you expect people wishing to visit your state shud go to a tamil class first and then come to your state??????

they say Atithi devo bhavah!!! this is what you do..and boast abt culture?????????


grow up guys!!!!! donot ruin the atmosphere around

Anonymous said...

missed few more things so continuing the post ahead....


no one stops you from speaking your mother tongue..no one in this world can and trust me everyone respects and loves their mother tongue and no one wants to listen anything against it...so with due respect to tamil, i wud only say that learning has no boundaries..

i insist my kids to speak in our regional language in house for sure..bcoz tht is our heritage but to cope with the outside world..there is no end to learning and one must adapt to the time....these days its an added advantage on as many languages you learn and know..

and trust me there are many tamilians who dont believ ein all this crap..hv many friends around...i appreciate their approach....

United We stand, divided we fall is an old slogan i wud repeat here....

Anonymous said...

It is very important that we stand united. Divided we will surely fall. It is for this reason we are telling that each one in India should respect the 'Diversity' factor. The beauty of India is it's diversity. We will be united only if we could successfully retain this beauty of India. Post independence, in the 70s and 80s when lot of Tamils had to goto North for job, Tamils quickly learned Hindi and started doing well in their job. Note that, none of them were putting their time, money and energy towards learning Hindi before landing in the North Indian State (and that too certainly not from their childhood as it is happening today). They just managed to do well when they moved to a different state for their survival. Similarly, Tamils who settled in Karnataka in 70s and 80s used to speak fluently in Kannada. And, several Marathis and Telugus who settled in TamilNadu speaks Tamil. When someone goes from one state to another state and settles there, one should absorb the Indian language of the state and start speaking in that language with the local people. This "Live in Diversity" concept has become the past glory of India.
Later, Hindi was successfully enforced in all children who grew up in 70s and 80s. These children, when they grew up to become 20 year old lads and started moving to other states, they showed no regard for the diversity aspect of the country and whichever state they got settled, they showed disregard for the local language & culture by not trying to learn the state language. They rather spoke to the locals in Hindi!! Totally insensible and atrocious. This is how, Marathis lost Maharashtra to Hindi & North Indians and Kannadigas lost Karnataka to North Indians & Tamils.

Today, when people goto Bangalore, nobody (including Tamils) try to learn and speak in Kannada. As a result, sadly, Kannadigas can not speak in Kannada in their own state. People proudly call it a cosmopolitan city at the cost of pushing a language and culture down!! It is sad and unfortunate that people are killing the beauty of India by dictating that everyone moving across the state should converse with the state in Hindi!! This is surely Hindi fanaticism. Someone going to Kerala for a short time can manage in English and those who are planning to settle in Kerala should try to learn Malayalam and converse with the Keralites in Malayalam and not in Hindi. A true Indian should have regards for the multi-lingual beauty of India and should not force Hindi. A true Indian should pick up the language of the state where he/she resides. Forcing everyone to put their time, money and energy to learn Hindi right from childhood is atrocious and unfair. We should go back to the past glory of India and exhibit the behavior
of our parents and grant parents who respected and valued the place where they moved into!!

Every true Indian should tell the world that this country is a multi-lingual nation and that's the beauty of the nation. Stop bluffing by saying that, ours is a mono-lingual country with Hindi as it's national language. Lot of foreigners and our own children are mis-leaded because of bluffing this unconstitutional and illegal statement ('Hindi is our national language') to the world and our own country. If you are a true Indian, you should respect the diversity aspect of our nation.

Anonymous said...

i dont think they hv imposed anything...i agree abt learning malyalam when we migrate to kerala..and i also understand tht if people in kerala can converse in english, the purpose gets solved there too abt having a second language of communication...i respect the diversity factor too..

but this discussion is all about hindi being imposed on non hindi speaking indians as a common national language for communication...where in, it has been observed that the south indian states have been reluctant to adapt to this...who said all dont respect the diversity factor.. show me the percentage of people all over india who cud manage to learn these 4 most difficult languages...tamil telegu, kannada and malyalam...we know its hard to learn compared to many other indian languages though not impossible..most of the northindian languages cud be atleast understood a bit...

expecting so many people around the country to decide on a common language which is most difficult to learn wudnt be practical enough...in tht case, hindi comes out far better with so many reason..many of the indian languages like marathi, gujarati are derived fm devnaagri script and written in the same format...

speaking a tuta-futa hindi is possible for people coming fm such states, making hindi a commonly adaptable language in many of the states...

now in such scenario, why have people to show attitude towards hindi...

i had a south indian lady at my work place..we were discussing abt knowing the languages..i said, i can converse in hindi and english and i dont mind learning ur language provided you can help me learn while we work here together and the reaction was.." i dont know hindi and you dont even think of learning my language, English is good to converse", where in later on i gathered tht she knew hindi!!!!!

What justification you want to give to such attitudes of citizens???

Anonymous said...

In Reply to the above Anonymous post:
First of all, let us appreciate you for acknowledging the fact that when you settle in Kerala, it makes sense to talk in Malayalam with Keralites rather than talking to them in Hindi. So, that brings clarity on the first way of communication, i.e., from a North-Indian to a Keralite. We will be happier if you can say that it is sensible for the Keralite to talk back in Malayalam when he is Kerala. This is when the NI is settling down in Kerala. Otherwise, we accept that English is good enough for communication for a visiting person.

Secondly, as your colleague told you, we South Indians will gladly accept you speaking English. And unlike our northern counterparts, we will not force our language. Also pl note that we are professionals. If IT is our business and if a North Indian comes to work with us, we will give him the required training for promoting his IT skill sets only. And during Promotions for the NI resource also, we will give PR based on the work contribution and IT skill sets of the resource. It is to be noted that our North Indians are just opposite to their South counterparts. Department of Technology (which comes under the Central Government establishment) spends crores of rupees towards promotion of Hindi. And it demands that a person should pass Hindi Exams to take to higher levels !! What is the objective of DOT in India? To promote Technology or to promote Hindi? Same is true with all Central Government establishments. Please learn professionalism from your southern counterparts. Don't enforce your language in the workplace.

Thirdly, we would like to repeat again that India is a multi-lingual Country and as such all languages have to be treated equally. Your assumption that north Indian Languages can be easily understood and so everyone should learn that, is nothing but an urge to force a language onto others and try to evolve a common language and thus eventually make India a mono-lingual country.

Whether something is easy or difficult is determined by the exposure one have with the job, language or for that matter anything. Even in your workplace, once u get good exposure to a job, you will find it easier to do - Right? Believe that, there is nothing difficult in this world to learn. Anyway, you don't have to learn our language unless you are settling down in our state.

Pl come out of this selfish\fanatic attitude on Hindi. Pl be open minded and break this urge to evolve something common for a country where diversity has to prevail for the unity of the nation. Also, please be broad minded and see each one of us as belonging to the world. We are citizens of the world. So, each one of can learn our mother tongue and English for communication with the World. When we say "world", it includes North India also. India is part of this world only, right?

We see lot of North Indians wearing Jeans, T-Shirt, hair styles matching to our western counterparts, using the advanced science and Technology invented by the west, etc. When Northies have taken so much from the West, what's the problem in accepting English? This rigid Anti-English attitude of Hindians is prooving very costly on India which spends crores of our Tax money towards promotion of Hindi. All our South Indian children have to put enormous effort, money and time to learn Hindi which otherwise could have been utilized for enhancing their knowledge in Business Applications, Science & Technology, music, arts etc. Nowhere in the world, people are under pressure to learn 3 languages and that too right from their childhood!!

Our Tamil Leaders were very clear. They decided to teach our kids the essentials of life - Science, History, Geography and Maths. In addition to that, they had the responsibility to ensure that Tamil does not die with their generation and hence Tamil, which is the mother tongue of the people in the State was imparted to our children.
And our leaders like Anna had a very good foresight. If we just know our language, we have to live with in the state and it will be difficult for us to do trade with the outside world. And hence they made English a mandatory language. Pl note that for every mandatory language\subject they decide to teach the kids, they have to pay from the treasury of our State. They have clearly decided that English will proove better for our kids than Hindi on a longer run. Today, most Tamils are well off thanks to this decision of our visionary leaders.

IMPORTANT THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND :
1) Learning of an additional language (3rd one) needs to be a choice. If a person does not want to overload himself with the 3rd language, rather he wants to invest time and money in learning a new art, let him decide accordingly. 2) And if a person decides to learn a language, which language he wants to learn also should be a choice. We may see factors like cultural heritage of the language (which we can grasp directly by seeing the historical and current behavior of people speaking that language), classical & literary strength of that language, etc. If mankind had spoken that language for thousands of years, they would have gathered so much of experience which we will gain by learning that language and it's literature. If people speaking that language has made lot of scientific & technological advancements and they are doing very good business, it makes sense for us to learn their language as it will help us in doing trade with them.

Taking all these cues, if Tamils have to learn a third language, we would prefer to learn German. Yaadhum Voore, Yavarum Kaeleer - to us all towns are same, all people our kin. The entire world is ours and as such why limit our thinking to manmade boundaries?

Anonymous said...

This is absolutely hilarious. The North Indians are trashing the TN's for not adopting Hindi as a unifying language, to make one "unified India." In the same breath, the same individuals call the TNs "pigs" and verbally trash the condition of the state and announce their superiority. The real problem here is not one of a superior language; it is that India should be a number of smaller countries/kingdoms, since each has their own language/culture, and clearly all sides are completely intolerant and uncompromising with each other.

Anonymous said...

i agree something is definitely funny out here. My dear friend, why even learn english. that language belongs to the people who made us slaves. Isnt tht disghusitng to follow people who hv tortured us for years altogether? why are you happily talking in English???

and what have you to say abt the attitude of the colleague while telling abt not learning her language. You easily figure out how and why one is telling so. instead of trying to portray it as a respect, why dont you see the attitude..we in our state dont do tht..we help them learning irrespective of they meet us anywhere not just visitng our state.

I am eagerly waiting for yor reply on this. and btw, please remove the notion that you being in the far south makes all other as north indians.

and yes, i see one contradiciton out here.. someone trying to portray this debate as NI vs SI..wow someone talking abt one country and united..and here is another person trying to declare it otherwise.

the topic is pretty simple. looking for a common language that cud be spoke nationally when all in the country are ready to adopt to the language of the people who ruled on us. misery is they dont want to accept the language from their own country.

No one said tht we dont want to learn south indian languages.

I hv been repeatedly mentioning in my posts, donot look at what government has to say..these people r just to take out the benefit fm the situation. These people hv ruined India over the years in the name of caste and religion.

This can be thought of rationally instead of taking it politically.

Tamil Photon said...

For the Anony who posted just above,

Mr.Brainless, why don you read the whole discussion and try to understand What we Southies feel?

Go through the links provided by Vijay and try to understand what is India!


To all Tamils,

This is a very common topic/argument any Northie/pseudo patriot would start.

They ll say
1. Hindi is National Language
2. Why the hell u din learn hindi
3. As Tamils din learn hindi, they are not growing
4. To be a patriot, u should learn hindi
5. To show ur broad mind, u should answer any hindian in hindi.

All the BS, they ll tell.

Be bold and be informed.

Know the history of Tamil and Tamils.

Counter anyone who comes with the above said stupid arguments.

Remember, We tamils have better understanding about india than anyone else.

1. Because of us English is surviving in India
2. Because of us India is global leader in IT and ITES
3.Because of us India din become USSR.
3. We along with our southern brothers pay more tax than all the BIMARU.
4. We pay and travel in trains.
5. They call us Conservative. But we are saving the culture and tradition of India unlike those buffoons.
6. Remember, Tamils are not against Hindi. But, the forceful imposition.

For all of us to think.
1. Why the DD National is a Hindi Channel?
2. Why dont all the bills and forms of Central govt. offices be in local languages also?
3. Do you really like the bollywood junk which shamelessly portrays western culture as ours, to eat ur own film indsutry?

Know What India is. Respect What India is.

rlx said...

to all hard minded cow belts guys.

don't hate enlgish because brits introduced it. all you comments in this forum is in english only. if you want to avoid enlgish because of brits they why ride in the railways built by them and the list goes on.

hindi was not an ancient language and it was intriduced just to replace english (since those cow belts politicians could not speak english and had an inferirity complex).

before commenting about anna, periyar etc ( it too don't like the politicians) look in to your great leaders like nehru (china war, taking j&k to UN), shastru (total surrender in russia peace talk with paki), your great maya (spending 300 crores on her statue), laloo (joker on the millenium).... the list is countless. for me english and hindi both are alien and speaking english let me go all over the globe.
so i choose the kick the hindi dog to my garbage.
look into you public transport in north and see the one on tamilnadu. why is IT still reluctant to develop in north - all because of your hindlish.? only north cow belt wals brought the panparag culture ..... 65 % in north travel without ticket in trains (this number is 20% in south).
so why do you all scream,, because you are incapable, jealous and was won by a south guy. who said Tamil nadu is so fond fo SL ? we want peace all over the globe.
do you know why we have all these issues in assam and J&K. your great fools like nehru and shastri failed to provide the space for them to maintain their idendity.
stop your rubbish hindi, if you still like it, use only hindi web sites and stay in the cow belt UP, MO , bihar area.

Anonymous said...

Hey All IGNORANT Hindi CRAPS.

SIMPLE WORDS TO YOU GUYS.
HINDI IS YOUR "MOTHER" TOUNGUE RIGHT ?. WHAT IS MOTHER TOUNGUE MEAN TO YOU GUYS ?.
THE VERY FIRST LANGUAGE TAUGHT BY YOUR MOTHER. THIS IS A SIMPLE THING .ONLY IGNORANTS LIKE HINDI IMPOSING GUYS LIKE YOU WOULD NEVER UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE.

SOME HINDI STUPID MENTIONED ABOUT COUNTRIES LIKE GERMAN, FRENCH COUNTRIES ARE DEVELOPED JUST BECAUSE OF COMMON LANGUAGE. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT SINGAPORE ?. THIS TINY COUNTRY WIHCH IS ROLE MODEL FOR MOST OF THE DEVELOPING ASIAN COUNTRIES. TAMIL IS ONE OF THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE OF THIS COUNTRY. TAMIL POPULATION IS JUST 8 % OF WHOLE POPULATION.
WHY THE HELL INDIA CANNOT HAVE TWO OR MORE NATIONAL LANGUAGES AND APPRACIATE OTHER LANGUAGES ?. THAT IS BECAUSE OF IGNORANT HOMICIDES LIKE YOU.

WHO THE HELL SAID TAMILNADU IS NOT DEVELOPED ?. DON'T JUST LOOK AT GROWTH OF ONLY THE CITIES. LOOK AT TOWNS AND VILLAGES. TAMILNADU IS GREAT PLACE TO LIVE EVEN IT IS A VILLAGE.

TAMIL IS OUR MOTHER TOUNGUE. WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP EVEN OUR MOM ASKED US TO DO SO.

TAMIZHAI EGHALTHAVANAI THAI THADUTHALUM VIDAEN.
UDAL MANNUKKU , UYIR TAMILUKKU. ITHAI URAKKA SOLVOM ULAGIRKKU.
ENGAL MANNAI THOTTAVAN KAIGAL VERUKKU VURAMAGUM.

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Anonymous said...

To all people,

please understand in reality when we compare between hindi and tamil. Tamil is one of the very old languages in india. Hindi's root language is Sanskrit but Tamil’s root language is tamil only. Did any state questioned why we are making hindi is national language why cant we Marathi or telugu or kanada, but we asked that question. When we compare to any state in india we are in top 1 to 3. In our state, growth is spread evenly to all villages and towns. For information, if you dial 108 in tamilnadu you will police or ambulance or fire service with in half an hour. Also some of the friends mentioned about the rajiv's murder by ltte, I don’t know how many people know about what IPKF(Which was sent by Mr Rajiv Gandhi) did in Eelam(North Srilanka). This is true. Enough is enough that’s y they killed. We can’t afford any more rapes and murder from IPKF. Anyone needs proof please search in internet mostly you will get this in bbc.

Please if don’t know anything about tamil or tamilan dont post.

Thanks
Tamilagam and Tamil Eelam.

raja said...

2 months back i went to chennai.i stayed there for 45 days...Before that i had been to kolkata ,bangalore,hyderabad,vizag.i stayed in bangalore and hyderabd for 1 year each.i never heard a word of praise about chennai from any of my friend.so i always intrested why...only chennai.but strangely i found great working atmosphere,friendly peoples and average food(i heard about the foods of chennai is not eatable).But i found the reason why only chennai.outside people ho came to chennai.....wants a user friendly atmo sphere.....and that they get it that in bangalore,hyd,pune,kolkata,mumbai,surat,ahemadabad which are the non hindi biggie metros (delhi is a hindi state).but in chennai they have to adjust a bit. for example...i know a littile bit of telugu like numbers but i never used it in hyd or vizag. but i have to use tamil numbers like unn,rendu,mun,nal,aidu in only 5 days in chennai.i wondered if i would stayed there for 6 months i would have learn 30% of tamil.IN MY POINT OF VIEW NOTHING WRONG WITH CHENNAI AND TAMILNADU....JUST THEY HAVE TO THINK LITTILE BIT ABOUT OUTSIDERS.BE 50% USER FREINDLY>>I WILL BET THAT EVERYBODY WILL LOVE CHENNAI MORE THAN ANY OTHER METROS>

ekbharatwasi said...

The need for national language to be chosen from an Indian language is a symbolic representative of end of psychological slavery to the west. At the same time, it will
indicate a strong emergence of India as an independently developing country.
In every sovereign nation of the world, a national language exists. It is the one which is understood by majority of people as an easy token of logic. Hindi therefore becomes an obvious choice.
What passes comprehension is the fear that southern states, especially Tamilnadu, show when it comes to select Hindi as the national language. May be, their fear is that Hindi will ruin their so-called ancient culture which was developed in thousands of years and they will be left as follower of Hindi speaking Northern region. With this 2 simple questions arise in any rational mind:
1. Is south Indian culture so very different than north Indian that it will completely destroy it, or will it enrich the south Indian culture what Afghan, Turk, Persian, Aryans and so many other races have done to India as a whole.
We today take pride of our enriched, world’s most diverse yet tolerant and harmonious culture, which is of-course the incorporation of so many different cultures. When we become so much defensive and conservative in our thinking, we surely give way to depreciation and lag-behind the others, which is destined to happen to the Chennai’s obstinate anti-Hindi mentality. Someone has rightly
said ” conservative approach has to become liberal, if you don’t do it yourself, time will.”
2. Do the south Indian think they were slaves of Indo-Aryan race? Do they think
Hindi imposition will take away every thing they have and leave them robbed in day-light? Do they think this will mar their progress in some way? Come-on, why do the recite the matras in Sanskrit when it is an Indo-Aryan language? Why do the worship the same god which were originally coined the Aryans? Or,
why do they follow the Hindu religion at all when it has its root in ancients Vedas which were written by Aryans on the bank of north Indian river Sindhu in Sanskrit language not in Tamil, Kannada or Telgu? The point here is, they have absorbed an alien culture in past, which have only enriched their traditional values and faith, not destroyed it.
As far as development question goes, I would say look at any nation other than UK in Europe. Such tiny nations do not need to follow English as their National language for the development, why do we? Does China follow English to beat US in terms of bilateral Trade? Why do we in India need to have English as the language of communication?
I will site a ill-famous debate between Annadurai and Lal Bahadur Sastri:
Anna said with his fuming anti-Hindi ideology
” Hindi should be the common language because it is spoken by the majority. Why should we then claim the tiger as our national animal instead of the rat which is so much more numerous? Or the peacock as our national bird when the crow is ubiquitous?.”
As a quick outwitting reply, then Cabinet minister Lal Bahadur Shastri said
“If the choice of Indian national animal were confined to dogs, pigs and kangaroos, dogs would be have been obvious choice. We simply can not have the alien kangaroo or the domestic pig as our national animal”. With this Anna was left nail-biting.

As Darwin’s survival of fittest principle suggests,” all those who can not adopt the changes will be eliminated, sooner or later”. Hindi has already won hearts in Hyderabad and Bangalore, now this is upto chennai if it wants to eliminate its culture in disguise, or welcomes Hindi as the national language, gels with it, and lets the 'true Indian' spirit prevail..."Jai Hind!"

Anonymous said...

Please wake up. I am not a hindi speaker by birth, because I belong to Orissa. But learnt it and found it eternally unifying. I have tamil friends in North and I find them down in dumps when they face us. You people not speaking Hindi or not knowing Hindi is your own undoing. General people can't even interact and Tamil is spoken only by 7% of this country. I pit Tamil people living in Delhi. Even people from North East are better to you. I hate to have a Tamil subordinate in my project group because you people are simply non-expressive and even your English is not that good as the education system and reservation have virtually destroyed your prowess. North Indians are far smarter compared to Tamils. Even Andhraiites and Kannadikas are better compared to you.
Feel sad and sorry for you. You are suffering because some of your leaders had notoriously big egos as they were cited as uneducated when the faced the Hindi barrage.

shake said...

Well What can i say? I'm ashamed to be an Indian!!! What the f%&K culture are we talking about, let people choose what language they want to speak.
Just Chennai is not tamilnadu, and everyone is an indian first then a tamil or south indian or north indian. The real TN is in its villages, so is any part of india.

Take the army for Example, one of the biggest armies in the world, it consists of people from all the regions in india. How do they communicate? What if those guys start having conflicts like this? you think me and you would be able to chat like this then.
Please don't strip each other like this in public.
For people who have been to different cities and had bad experiences, only way you can make them good is by extending good hospitality to others coming to that city, and don't expect good stuff in cities, cause cities are the places where people go for money, so the real hospitality is in suburbs only.
Food- I don't think the amount of variation we have, any other country will have, just cause our folks have availed the food that we like has spoilt us from generating taste for different tastes.

Anonymous said...

Nehru announced in Parliament that states have the right to not accepting Hindi as states' official language - this was to mainly exempt TamilNadu when this bill was introducted and opposed by TamilNadu.

1) Northern states are the most backward states in India. If anything should be an official language, let it be the language(s) of the most of economically performing states.
2) Why the hell the northern states like Bihar and the most of UP are so poor (if Hindi was the key to development)?
3) CM of TN didn't welcome IPKF because they raped 100s of women in Srilanka. It's a shame to say that they were Indians. Despite revealing these facts, Rajiv objected to calling them back. They killed upto 65,000 before the post-2005 wars in Srilanka, yet one man - Rajiv's life is thought to be quite valuable than the life 1000s of innocent people there.
4) The reality: TN will never learn Hindi, the development (despite several issues) is quite strong in the state than most other states. The whole Indian economy is going to depend on southern states -AP, TN, Kerala, Karnataka and Maharashtra.
5) In all the recent governments, TN MPs occupy key ministerial posts. Even the street vendors earn so much money in the state.
6) The word 'introduced' is always heard as 'imposed' in TN. It's similar to saying everyone in Hindi mainland should learn Tamil as a third language. Did you ever do any similar thing like that - learn any third language (no need to be Tamil, can be Marathi or Bengali).

The situation has now become like you need us rather than we need you.

1)We pay taxes; 2) we ALWAYS pay for train tickets and ticket for any public transportation; 3) We have our own TV channels - 100s of them (earlier in 80s, there used to be 3hr DD tamil - we all switch off TVs after that). We have our own movie industry, infrastructure developments. Visit even a small town in TN, you'll know the difference between Northern states and southern states. Many northies move to TN nowadays, try to speak local language and work in local companies - there are arguably no jobs and development in BIMARU states. Learning Hindi is nothing but an additional burden to non-hindi speaking population - cos' it's like you never underwent any significant development in the last 50 years.

Anonymous said...

Language is nothing but a sound. unless we fix a meaning for that sound, it does not carry anything.
If we note those sound using written symbols, it becomes a written language. But really, those symbols does not carry any meaning.
Language can be formed only when there are more than one person. when a person modulates the air in a particular fashion regularly to express the same feeling everytime, it becomes a language. So whether its hindi, tamil, english or french, its just a sound in the human audible range. Dont give much importance to languages and waste your time here.

Anonymous said...

Just look at the per capita income of the Indian states in the link below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_by_GDP

* all southern states have 30K+.
* Most of the northern states like Bihar, UP and Madhyapradesh have less than 20K. Even Orissa, which accepted Hindi, as one member states above, has per capita income of less than 20K. Why is there a huge difference?

Who needs to wake up? Why so many foreign companies are choosing south Indian states? Investment and jobs are pouring due to presense of highly skilled work force. Even the Engineering and Technology can be studied in Tamil now. I studied in Tamil medium state school (free education until the end of my schooling). Only for College, I was in English medium. My English teaching in the school was good enough for college education. Look at the scientists in ISRO and their states. Look at the ex preseident Abdul Kalam. You'll know what I'm talking about.

Bala said...

Let me tell you one thing very clearly, accept that facts.

1. My wife is a rajasthani, i'm tamilian, but unfortunately, my doesnt know rajasthani language, she knows only hindi.

2. My friend is a muslim lived in hyderabad, his mother tongue is Telugu, unfortunately he knows only hindi.

3. Hindi is not the national language of India.

4. Why do you guys always hate South Indians(Tamilians), because we dont approve hindi as our national language?

5. Do we all really supportive and giving respect to our mother language? Obviously no, we should respect other languages. If we are intended to read English in the same way we will get interest to learn hindi, unless its not been imposed on us.

Better open your mind to grow up. and give some respect to other languages.

Bala

Anonymous said...

no disrespect to any language!!! people speak what they prefer to.
first of all get ur geography right, there is west and east also. everything that is above andhra is not north of india. learning hindi or any regional language would not get u to the top of the world, lets accept its english. and just coz u guys accepted it long back as a language to learn there are more companies investing that side, not coz u know tamil. hindi is unarguably most spoken language probably after english, and that seems to be ur problem, u guys just cant digest that fact. Basically what is hindi at the rest of the india, tamil is to the south(my opinion) and nobody forced anyone to learn hindi, i agree that languages should be optional, just cause some politician wants u to learn some language doesn't mean u should. if you have passion for your language, you'd probably not even reading this shity blog!!!

arun said...

ekbharatwasi nice try to twist the facts but you are an EPIC FAIL. let us give a thought over your OPINIONS.
you say ***In every sovereign nation of the world, a national language exists. It is the one which is understood by majority of people as an easy token of logic. Hindi therefore becomes an obvious choice***

PLEASE DO NOT GENERALISE "EVERY NATION" FOR INDIA. CANT YOU SEE EVEN HALF A CENTURY AFTER INDEPENDENCE HINDI IS NOT EVEN GIVEN A DAMN IN SOUTHERN STATES AND WHOLE NORTH EAST INDIA. IF EVERY ONE IS ACCEPTING A MEDIOCRE LANGUAGE LIKE HINDI AND QUIT THEIR OWN RICH LINGUISTIC LEGACY (LOOK WHAT DAMAGE HINDI HAS INFLICTED ON BIMARUs)THEN INDIA WD HAVE BEEN BE A BIGGER BUCKET SHIT. ATLEAST SOME PEOPLE IN SOUTH DIDNT ACCEPT MEDIOCRACY AND NOW INDIA IS MARCHING AS A DEVELOPING NATION.

you say ***What passes comprehension is the fear that southern states, especially Tamilnadu, show when it comes to select Hindi as the national language.***

IT IS NOT FEAR BUDDY IT IS BEING PRACTICAL. WE HAVE NO NECESSITY TO LEARN HINDI. WE CAN FAIRLY SURVIVE IN THE WHOLE SOUTH INDIA WITH OUR OWN LANGUAGES AND ENGLISH. IF WE COME TO NORTH YES WE NEED HINDI TO THE LEVEL A NORTH INDIAN TRAVELLING IN TN WD NEED TAMIL. THAT IS ENOUGH. ALSO THERE IS NO LOGIC IN SELECTING A LANGUAGE WHICH IS NOT UNDERSTOOD BY ABOUT 40% OF CITIZENS.THATS WHY IT IS FOR YOUR INFORMATION THAT INDIA IS NOT HAVING ANY NATIONAL LANGUAGE.

***YOU TALK LOADS AND LOADS OF BULLSHIT ON CULTURE- INDO ARYAN RACIAL SUPREMACY-RELIGION ...FOR FUCK'S SAKE THIS BLOG IS ON LANGUAGE. IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT RELIGION AND CULTURE GOOGLE FOR OTHER FORUMS DONT BE A PAIN IN THE BOTTOM HERE***
YOU QUOTE “If the choice of Indian national animal were confined to dogs, pigs and kangaroos, dogs would be have been obvious choice. We simply can not have the alien kangaroo or the domestic pig as our national animal” WHAT A POOR ARGUEMENT FROM GREAT BAHADUR. BY THIS WHAT DOES HE DELIVER? DOES HE WANT TO RIDICULE TAMIL. ANNA WAS ARGUING RIGHTLY AND PRACTICALLY ON WHY A LANGUAGE CANT BE A NATIONAL LANGUAGE IN INDIA. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN LAL JI TOOK IT PERSONALLY AND WENT ON BLAH BLAH ING TALKING TOTALLY NUTS. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT LALJI WAS GIVING A FITTING REPLY. ANY MAN WITH HALF A MIND WD LAUGH AT LAL'S FACE NOT WITH HIS MOUTH.
YOUR LEADER REFLECTS YOUR HALF BAKED MENTAL CAPABILITIES.
DARWINISM!!!!! MY ASS I VE ALREADY SAID THAT IT IS HALF CENTURY PAST INDEPENDENCE AND HINDI GETS NO DAMN IN SOUTH AND NORTH EAST EVEN NOW. GO HAVE A LIFE BUDDY YOU SUCK BIG TIME.

arun said...

ekbharatwasi nice try to twist the facts but you are an EPIC FAIL. let us give a thought over your OPINIONS.
you say ***In every sovereign nation of the world, a national language exists. It is the one which is understood by majority of people as an easy token of logic. Hindi therefore becomes an obvious choice***

PLEASE DO NOT GENERALISE "EVERY NATION" FOR INDIA. CANT YOU SEE EVEN HALF A CENTURY AFTER INDEPENDENCE HINDI IS NOT EVEN GIVEN A DAMN IN SOUTHERN STATES AND WHOLE NORTH EAST INDIA. IF EVERY ONE IS ACCEPTING A MEDIOCRE LANGUAGE LIKE HINDI AND QUIT THEIR OWN RICH LINGUISTIC LEGACY (LOOK WHAT DAMAGE HINDI HAS INFLICTED ON BIMARUs)THEN INDIA WD HAVE BEEN BE A BIGGER BUCKET SHIT. ATLEAST SOME PEOPLE IN SOUTH DIDNT ACCEPT MEDIOCRACY AND NOW INDIA IS MARCHING AS A DEVELOPING NATION.

arun said...

you say ***What passes comprehension is the fear that southern states, especially Tamilnadu, show when it comes to select Hindi as the national language.***

IT IS NOT FEAR BUDDY IT IS BEING PRACTICAL. WE HAVE NO NECESSITY TO LEARN HINDI. WE CAN FAIRLY SURVIVE IN THE WHOLE SOUTH INDIA WITH OUR OWN LANGUAGES AND ENGLISH. IF WE COME TO NORTH YES WE NEED HINDI TO THE LEVEL A NORTH INDIAN TRAVELLING IN TN WD NEED TAMIL. THAT IS ENOUGH. ALSO THERE IS NO LOGIC IN SELECTING A LANGUAGE WHICH IS NOT UNDERSTOOD BY ABOUT 40% OF CITIZENS.THATS WHY IT IS FOR YOUR INFORMATION THAT INDIA IS NOT HAVING ANY NATIONAL LANGUAGE.

***YOU TALK LOADS AND LOADS OF BULLSHIT ON CULTURE- INDO ARYAN RACIAL SUPREMACY-RELIGION ...FOR FUCK'S SAKE THIS BLOG IS ON LANGUAGE. IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT RELIGION AND CULTURE GOOGLE FOR OTHER FORUMS DONT BE A PAIN IN THE BOTTOM HERE***
YOU QUOTE “If the choice of Indian national animal were confined to dogs, pigs and kangaroos, dogs would be have been obvious choice. We simply can not have the alien kangaroo or the domestic pig as our national animal” WHAT A POOR ARGUEMENT FROM GREAT BAHADUR. BY THIS WHAT DOES HE DELIVER? DOES HE WANT TO RIDICULE TAMIL. ANNA WAS ARGUING RIGHTLY AND PRACTICALLY ON WHY A LANGUAGE CANT BE A NATIONAL LANGUAGE IN INDIA. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN LAL JI TOOK IT PERSONALLY AND WENT ON BLAH BLAH ING TALKING TOTALLY NUTS. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT LALJI WAS GIVING A FITTING REPLY. ANY MAN WITH HALF A MIND WD LAUGH AT LAL'S FACE NOT WITH HIS MOUTH.
YOUR LEADER REFLECTS YOUR HALF BAKED MENTAL CAPABILITIES.
DARWINISM!!!!! MY ASS I VE ALREADY SAID THAT IT IS HALF CENTURY PAST INDEPENDENCE AND HINDI GETS NO DAMN IN SOUTH AND NORTH EAST EVEN NOW. GO HAVE A LIFE BUDDY YOU SUCK BIG TIME.

Satty said...

Tamils are narrow minded since they dont know hindi, if any tamilian learn hindi, next moment he will become broadminded. No hindi speaking person has the broad mind to learn other language in their home state which tamils also do.But Hindi people do this, then they are broad minded. Hindi is in UP,Bihar,Orissa,Rajasthan. But developed states in india are non-hindi land. If hindi unites the people, please dont learn english at all which is the main language in all hindi channels and movies. If u people feel english is must to survive in a MNC then use it for communication. U people need a language which foreigner cant understand, so that they can speak anything infront of them. Learn atleast 4-5 indian languages to be an indian is the statement given by Gandhi.I learnt 4Langauges(Hindi,Tamil,Telugu, Kannada), and iam now an Indian , now you all question urself that u r all Indian(as gandhi said) or Hindians.

Anonymous said...

Great comment..

Anonymous said...

Nice reply ..

Anonymous said...

Ekbharatwasi.. You seems to be unaware of Tamil history.. Vedic knowledge is a translation of Tamil culture in Sanskrit.. That is all.. Learn Tamil history and root and comment later..